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July 23, 2007

Brick 2 or Is Noir the New Black?

Filed under: Film & TV — flann4 @ 2:47 pm

Brick was on again and it got me thinking (see my Brick post for previous comments). It used to be the Western trope was the common way to interpret narratives but could it be that these times are more appropriately noir? The western hero is rarely conflicted and usually certain of his skill. He has a quest, usually a rather straightforward quest, a route to the heart of evil, and then he overcomes it. He might suffer but he triumphs. Actions speak much larger than words; in fact, in Westerns the voluble ones are usually suspect. And though he might die in battle, he rarely actually takes the fall for anyone. He will not be misrepresented.

The noir hero is often someone who is just recovering from a great loss or failure. He is unsure of himself and unsure of what to do next. So he does something but more just to see what happens, stirs the waters to see what monsters lurk beneath. And he talks and talks. Noir heros like to talk more than fight. There is violence but is often offscreen and if not it seems almost incidental. The quest is for knowledge rather than revenge or justice, and the latter two are rarely accomplished. All too often the noir hero takes on disgrace to save another, or dies a futile death where the power structures remain intact. His triumph is only that of glimpsing a little knowledge of the foot before it crushes him.

Bruce Willis in Sin City plays this role where he has to die disgraced to save a girl with the knowledge that he was unable to change anything else.

Brick has the same system in place where characters talk and talk and try to discern what is happening in the murk, and if possible to survive it all. I was struck on this second viewing about the speed of the dialogue. Snappy and fast verging on screwball comedy speed and insinuating fast quick brains negotiating the dangerous seas of slower large implacable predators.

The film’s setting is perfect. A generic high school shot like a prison. And aren’t high schools prisons and often hell as well. No other time in life is so locked in. You can leave a job or drop out of university but high school is an unendurable stretch of power cliques, alpha manoevering and more distinct from the “real world” than most environments. Many noir characters operate within a cage either real or metaphorical and high school too makes quite the cage.

Brick captures both the poetry of noir and the limitations of high school. Our dark figure runs his games but at one point asks if our protagonist has read Tolkien, and specifically the Hobbit because he builds such amazing worlds. The guy is a puppetmaster but he’s also an almost laughable character riding around in the back of a van with a table lamp inside, cape wearing and strutting with a bird head cane, and having sandwiches with his mom.

But back to noir as the new genre black. In this world if power being held in fewer and fewer hands, of the greater secrecy around vested interests, of the decreasing power of the individual and the fragmentation of world views, noir works better than the Western does.

Any thoughts…not too much behind this…quickly threw this off without really cleaning it up. But do see Brick. And for the most over the top noir Kiss Me Deadly.

30 Comments »

  1. I would say thought hat “High Plains Drifter” and “Pale Rider” both had a lot of noir elements. Probably Pale Rider came closer, not that either was meant to be a noir western, but a noir western would be cool. Film noir and westerns are my to favorite genres, well that and period pieces. OH! High Noon would very much be a noir western!

    I know I am a little off topic :P

    BTW The Proposition written by Nick Cave was really well done and might be a blend of the two genres.

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 23, 2007 @ 9:46 pm

  2. Though I haven’t seen them in some time, I think that High Plains is closer to horror and Pale Rider still has too much of the indestructible hero to it. Kind of hated Pale Rider actually…prefer its model Shane but even that I only like for the landscape. My favourite Eastwoods are far in front Unforgiven and then Josey Wales and then Joe Kidd. Still have to see and really want to Proposition. Have to follow this up and look for that noir western, must be at least one out there.

    Comment by aos — July 23, 2007 @ 11:17 pm

  3. From wiki.

    Classic era noir-Western crossovers

    * Pursued (1947)
    * Blood on the Moon (194 8)
    * Colorado Territory (194 8)
    * Station West (194 8)
    * Yellow Sky (1949)
    * The Devil’s Doorway (1950)
    * The Furies (1950)
    * The Gunfighter (1950)
    * Winchester ‘73 (1950)
    * Rawhide (1951)
    * High Noon (1952)
    * Track of the Cat (1954)
    * The Naked Spur (1954)
    * The Man from Laramie (1955)
    * The Halliday Brand (1957)
    * Man of the West (195 8)

    I’ve only seen High Noon of these listed, but that would very much be one. Yes Unforgiven and Josey Wales are better films- The Outlaw Josey Wales is still one of my all time favorite movies.

    Not sure if Red Rock West would count as a western since it was present day in the 90s :P

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 7:44 am

  4. Just noticed that wiki also listed:

    Post-classic noir-Western crossovers

    * Welcome to Hard Times (1967)
    * High Plains Drifter (1973)
    * Unforgiven (1992)
    * The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada (2005)

    not saying wiki is the authority on noir :P
    but Unforgiven does have a lot of noir elements now that I think about it.

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 7:52 am

  5. I just don’t agree with them on Unforgiven. To me that is the ultimate Western. Westerns almost always play with the conflict between civilization and nature, between the social and the individual. Though Unforgiven is somewhat unique in its placing Clint on an isolated farm (he’s never quite managed to conform), his journey of self discovery ends in reawakening his evil nature(despite the fact that it is used to right wrongs). I also think it is remarkably funny (and one of the most visually beautiful films) when he repeats his mantra of “I’m not that man anymore”. And now, damn it,I have to see it again. What noir elements do you see in it?

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 8:19 am

  6. Well keep in mind that westerns influenced noir! But in the 40s and 50s westerns were seeming so passe and over done. So the element of the protagonist as not always a good person, his character is murky. That was one of the big controvesies back then was the hero of the movie was not an all around good guy. His moral code was deviant for the times. Often a woman (who sets the plot in motion and the man’s downfall, repeating the whole adam and eve archtypes) this is done in unforgiven as the prostitutes hire Clint to avenge her. A true noir might have been the detective hired to spy on her husband whose cheating, and then gets double crossed. But in unforgiven. He is a hard boiled cowboy who gave up the life for the woman he loved, changed his evil ways (not that man anymore) and lived ont he farm, but hard times set in adn he needs the money (reflects some of the moral ambiguity noirs are known for). The film is generally dark in visual style and in characters and plots also keeping with the noir theme. It is also very violent and in a way that you can seem to justify, even though the hero is morally ambiguous about why he would commit violence. And noirs have no clear good guys. Everyone is some shade of good and evil. Now these days our norms are more lax than in the 40s and 50s. But it still applies. Although in later noirs in the 50s and 60s the protagonist is often at the end changed in a way related to the violence that elevates him above the other characters morally. In unforgiven its an homage to High Noon that the town is terrorized by Hackman and they don’t fight him, they stay cowards until Clint comes to town. Clint was about to leave finding out that the prostitutes had exaggerated their claim, but my memory gets fuzzy here, havn’t seen the movie in a long time, but seems like the young guy gets killed and that sends Clint down his road vengeance. Clint’s violence is justified cuz Hackman and his henchman have terrorized the town and the people are to scared to fight. So Clint guns em all down.

    I do agree Unofrgiven is a great Western, probably the best ever! But it has noir themes, but like I said Westerns influenced noir as well, so its not surprising that they can cross over. Another reason is America was a super power after WWII and was seeking to establish an image that wasn’t this backward Western frontier image. So other dramas and action films began to replace Westerns. Westerns became films for kids, not serious cinema. But then noir began. Noir took the characters and plot and time of the mainstream movies and spun it on its head, but those writers and directors grew up watching westerns. Noir pushed the envelope on standards such as you couldn’t see some one get shot in the same camera shot!

    Its been so long since I’ve though about this stuff. I studied film in college a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

    But a more clearly noir film set in a western genre would be cool! Like the way Brick in my mind was a noir film set in a 80s teen movie genre. I really did like brick a lot. Sorry to have gone so far off topic :P

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 9:06 am

  7. I just added a brief review to The Proposition if your interested http://ginzu98.wordpress.com/

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 9:19 am

  8. To go back to Red Rock West for a second, which I liked, there are quite a few noirs in semi modern western settings (my favourite would have to be After Dark My Sweet).

    I’m not sure that noir is the origin for protagonists being complicated and a mixture (I could be wrong on this). For me the defining elements have been the mise en scene (though this is not always prominent; the camera angles, the distortions), the world as a cage, and the gray uncertainty of all knowledge. And therefore Unforgiven doesn’t quite go there for me (he does enter a predetermined path of sorts but it is driven by his own nature rather than the world; the world is clear both in the filming and the wide open spaces. I have to slot this as a deep western rather than a noir hybrid.

    And it is Morgan Freeman’s death that is the lynchpin for the destruction at the end. One of Hackman’s best roles ever!!

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 9:27 am

  9. After Dark My Sweet was much more noir than Red Rock West that’s true.

    Well yes there isn’t much noir aesthetics in Unforgiven (shadows from slatted windows and heavy rim lighting) but I think the plot and characters share similarities to noir.

    Maybe we can agree its a dark western :P

    From Moviemaker Magazine

    Unforgiven (1992)
    Director: Clint Eastwood

    A noir western? All the elements are here: Brutal law enforcement, a seemingly “regular Joe” dragged back into a world of violence and an oppressive atmosphere with one of the (literally) darkest fade-outs imaginable. This is no morality play—nobility is notably absent. Clearly, Unforgiven has roots in the dark underbelly of the genre. The film is an unsparing, ultimately unforgiving view of a violent, corrupt world.

    Quotable: Gene Hackman’s Little Bill Daggett: “I don’t deserve this. To die like this. I was building a house.” Eastwood, before pulling the trigger: “Deserving’s got nothing to do with it.” Fade to black. MM

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 9:38 am

  10. Maybe…still don’t entirely buy it. Maybe because Eastwood’s avenging angel is so certain. And the whole coming back from the dead is so western…after his beating in the bar, or his former life, or for a more protracted discussion we could consider The Good the Bad and the Ugly. or Once Upon a Time in the West. Though in those the heros wander through the everyday world like gods.

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 9:56 am

  11. Great discussion. This is the first I’ve been introduced to the idea of ‘noir’. Weird how this ties in to some stuff I was talking about yesterday.

    My mom was telling me about one of her neighbors who lives with another woman. Mom was surprised to learn that she was once an ordained minister, but her personal life became an issue and she was eventually forced to step down for being a lesbian. She described it as a very painful experience.

    This couple are really kind, good people, and I said aloud to my mom, ‘You’re raised with all these movies and stories where everything turns out okay in the end, and the good guy always wins, so it’s confusing to go from that to real life where nasty, powerful people usually win, and the establishment is always in control.”

    The noir hero is more realistic. Alas.

    Other thought isn’t exactly on subject, but your vivid description of the protagonist, “cape wearing and strutting with a bird head cane, and having sandwiches with his mom”, made me think of it. Water World was on, and after watching a little while I decided part of the reason it was such a flop is because Dennis Hopper’s bad guy was so much more likable than Kevin Costner’s good guy.

    Comment by amuirin — July 24, 2007 @ 9:59 am

  12. Speaking of noir and lesbians, Bound was a lesbian-noir.

    But yeah, the allure of the noir is that the good guys and bad guys are not clearly delineated- as in life.

    Waterworld, can’t stop laughing, I asked for my money back on that one. My door knob could steal a scene from Kevin Costner, so Hopper was just to over powering. Costner only works when type cast correctly, although he did do a good job in Wyatt Earp.

    But his best performance was as the dead guy in The Big Chill lol. Oh, that was just mean. :P

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 10:16 am

  13. Unforgiven works more as noir than the GBU and once upon a time in the west, exactly as you said the latter the guys are gods. In unforgiven he is beat up in the bar, he is vulnerable.

    Now I want to write an epic noir western that truely has all the elements but set in the western. Although an interesting bent might be right near the end of the second industrial revolution. Have an element of the urban city mixed with the frontier. Maybe the bad guy is in NYC! Too obvious, maybe San Francisco or Charleston. Throw in a pinch of Chaplin’s Modern Times :P j/k

    Anywho…

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 10:24 am

  14. AOS, how do you reckon our old buddy, Cormac, fits into this discussion? Have you heard that Blood Meridian is being made into a movie? I’m slightly worried and slightly excited about this. I often feel that Ridley Scott is highly overated.

    Comment by kirtvocals — July 24, 2007 @ 10:29 am

  15. Re Kevin Costner…..thought he was good in almost an Unforgiven type role in Open Range and also liked him with Clint in the neoWestern-crime Perfect World.

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 10:31 am

  16. Hey Kirt, though Ridley is inconsistent, lets just hope its the same guy that gave us Alien, Blade Runner and Gladiator. Not too many out there who can handle the big screen in that way (and i know Barry would add Duellists). But he hasn’t done anything like a western so who knows. They say that every director wants to do a western so maybe thats why he’s involved. He does do texture well.

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 10:37 am

  17. Don’t know why but this brings to mind Kevin Spacey in United States of Leland where when asked if he is someone famous, is he an actor, he replies (and here you have to imagine his perfect deadpan delivery) ‘you may have seen me in Stanley Kubrick’s musical about alcoholic pirates; I was Captain Morgan.”

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 10:41 am

  18. Didn’t see Open Range, was it good? Perfect World did suit him well. Great movie. Of course I can’t think of a bad movie Eastwood has directed!

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 10:43 am

  19. I think Open Range was a great film, a truly great, slightly unusual, Western. Duvall has one of the greatest graveside speeches of all time where he curses the man above for the regrettable death of another. Its a bit of a cattle moving movie (like Red River) but works the tension between the town folk (town run by a Deadwood type mayar (Michael Gambon)) and the cattlemen. He, Gambon, literally wants them all dead.

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 10:50 am

  20. I actually think Ridley Scott is quite good. Now his brother Tony Scott I do think is over rated. But I would guess that there are movies Ridley does so he can do other movies, adn that may explain the inconsistency. And since he and his brother established their own production company I think his movies have gotten a lot better.

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 10:53 am

  21. As to bad movies that Eastwood directed? Space Cowboys? Didn’t see it, nor did I see The Rookie but I wonder. Some of the early stuff isn’t great..Sudden Impact or Firefox.

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 10:54 am

  22. Space Cowboys was good. The Rookie not so good, pretty bad, but I blame Sheen for that :P Hav’nt seen Firefox since I was a kid, but I liked it at the time. Sudden Impact was ok, but the franchise was past its prime. I am going to use my Ridley defense and say that the bad movies are the ones he had to make to make the good ones lol.

    The bad ones didn’t even have a good script to begin with.

    Play Misty for ME is a classic! Love that film!

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 11:01 am

  23. Just noticed that another Dirt Harry is in pre-production! Fik Mik!

    What’s with the old guy action heroes coming back?

    Sxhawrzenegger did hopefully one last Terminator!

    Willis in Die Hard (it was entertaining but I only liked the first and third ones)

    Stallone did another Rocky, has another Rambo coming

    Ford is finally doing another Indiana Jones, which is forgivable since it took them forever to get a script, but its too bad Connery is MIA and Phoenix is deceased.

    Now Eastwood is reprising Dirty Harry?

    I guess Reynolds will do another Bandit movie?

    I guess Dolf Lundgren will come back too?

    Please tell me no more Lethal Weapon films!!!

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 11:10 am

  24. Oh, the Dirt Harry film is in production already, but the studio has fast tracked him to direct The Changeling. See he was forced to do another Dirty Harry so he could direct something he wanted! Unless of course The Changeling sucks, and then whenever the forst good film comes it was all the bad films tog et to that one lol!

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 11:14 am

  25. DOH the Dirty Harry is a video game! ooops. But with all the old action hero movies coming out, I thought it was another, my bad…

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 11:18 am

  26. Which Phoenix are you talking about? And yes the Lethal Weapons were so so bad. As afar as Connery and Stallone, I liked both more outside of their “successes”. Stallone for Copland and Demolition Man (though I will hate him always for participating in the destruction of the Caine classic Get Carter) and Connery for Outland (the scifi western). Indiana Jones never did much for me (like Ford in Witness).

    Comment by aos — July 24, 2007 @ 12:03 pm

  27. Sorry, River Phoenix.

    A day in the life of Jimmy Reardon was a favorite of mine, kinda an odd movie, but I liked it for some reason, at least waaaaaaaaaaay back then.

    It just seems sad that the action genres are so stale. The Korean and Hong Kong cinemas have some more interesting tales. Old Boy was really good. I like most John Woo films except the one’s he’s made here. MI2 was ok. Windtalkers ok. Broken Arrow sucked. Hard Target sucked! Hard Boiled is excellent!

    Demolition Man is kinda campy, but it is a guilty pleasure. The height of the anti-PC movement ala Dennis Leary. If you hav’nt seen his stand up “No cure for cancer” its really funny. It’s worth it just for the “I’m an asshole song”.

    I forgot about Outland that was good!

    Its ok if I liked him in highlander right? :P

    I really liked the first 2 or 3 Highlanders but it got all cheezy towards the end, too bad. The first one was sooo good. That or my standards then were low, but I really remember liking it alot as kid.

    Comment by ginzu98 — July 24, 2007 @ 1:15 pm

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